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Postby [N]Fullin » Thu May 05, 2016 5:31 am

Karlsson: whats developing with new versions of the ntw 3 mod if any?
Karlsson: like is there any talk of adding the USA as a faction of any kind?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: nope
Karlsson: would there be resistance to the idea of adding the USA?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: they are already in...check the WITA button in the launcher
Karlsson: I mean in the Full mod
Karlsson: not just a side mode
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: nahh, nobody cares for US fighting vs wurtenberg
Karlsson: why not?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: kinda silly
Karlsson: ?
Karlsson: to me its sillier to not have the USA in
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: D Day style operation overlord?
Karlsson: well the USA was pretty active militarily around the time
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: as I said they are in america whey were....
Karlsson: war of 1812, first barbary war, quasi-french war
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: america
Karlsson: its just so much potential content
Karlsson: and an audience
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: not really...the army was small and crappy
Karlsson: make it a minor state
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: a mini minor
Karlsson: and the fact that they beat the british twice
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: rated 5
Karlsson: let me guess, you arent American
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: they beat the british not britain...I once punched an english guy and knocked him down...it doesnt mean i defeated Britain
Karlsson: ?
Karlsson: wat

Karlsson: so the british troops in the US acting on behalf of orders from Britain doesnt count if... if what?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: as a british army...not britain
Karlsson: so its wasnt britain the beat Napoleon at waterloo
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: not really it was britain prussia holland and belgium
Karlsson: yeah ik that
Karlsson: i honestly am lost
Karlsson: The USA defeated the British during the Revloution and the War of 1812
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: There is no place for US in the european theater...is not that complex
Karlsson: and the Barbaries with the help of the Ottomans in the 1st barbary war
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: yea...
Karlsson: well then maybe youll just have to set up a rule where you cant use the ottomans on a euor map
Karlsson: Euro*
Karlsson: its just so much content and a new audience you can reach
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Turkey is in europe
Karlsson: technically speaking yes
Karlsson: technically
Karlsson: key word there
Karlsson: the argument against it is kind of petty and non-existent
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: the fact that the british attacked all this minor countries in the 1800 doesnt mean they need to be represented each of them in the europen theater..
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: so we need to put argentina
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: colombia
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: india
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: all fighting in europe?!!!
Karlsson: well i wouldnt be too pushy if the WITA sub mod wasnt so half assed
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Its technically silly
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: There you have a good valid point
Karlsson: im just saying as someone who likes the mod, it would be a lot of new content that more people would like and possibly attract a larger audience
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: maybe...
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: it has a "commercial" potential...but it very far fetched to mme
Karlsson: ottomans on England 1-5 is farther fetched
Karlsson: or waterloo
Karlsson: i mean you have 2 Italian factions
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: will you add India argentina colombia south africa.....were do you draw the line
Karlsson: the USA

Karlsson: i mean its simple
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: to the american brain is
( a low point of mine, my apologies)
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: USA USA
Karlsson: oh ok
Karlsson: add a British half faction
Karlsson: and a French one
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: so USA only...the rest ..who cares
Karlsson: ooooohhh i see
Karlsson: youre trying to shut me down by accusing me of being a stereotypical American Exceptionalist douchebag
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: no
Karlsson: uh yeah
Karlsson: thats exactly what you are doing
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: i was trying by explaining with proper arguments that you dont find valid why...
Karlsson: so ottomans fighting on waterloo is ok
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: the US has no place ina european scenario...
Karlsson: neither do the ottomans
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: indeeed
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: not in waterloo
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: but they fought the russians...2 european nations
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and the french so we kept it as europe only
Karlsson: only to get clubbed by suvorov, and defeat napoleon eventually yeah Im familiar with history
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and for that Iam sorry you disagree
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: but adding the US
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: means we need to add another 14 nations that fought in the Napoleonics war
Karlsson: uh no, it doesnt
Karlsson: you added the IV corps
Karlsson: why not I, II, III, V, etc?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: we are gonna add more corps indeed
Karlsson: you added fucking Sardinia and youre telling me that if you introduced the USA everything would go to shit
Karlsson: 3 french factions
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: yep
Karlsson: IV corps (hey where are the other corps?), France, and the arde
Karlsson: garde*
Karlsson: Berge
Karlsson: Berg*
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: there are gona be 5 and 2 prussians and 3 british
Karlsson: why not 10 Bavarian factions?
Karlsson: its a stupid argument
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: we still need to add Wallachia MOldavia and some others
Karlsson: the only reason is that you simply dont like the USA

[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: here comes the insults...
Karlsson: oh for fuck sake i never even heard of those
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: If I like or dislike the USA is irrelevant on the Lordz decisions , that by the way has plenty of Americans...that dont want the US in there either...
Karlsson: from what im reading moldavia hardly even existed by itself
Karlsson: BUT WHAT VALID REASON?!
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I gave you plenty...you dont like them...
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: 1st
Karlsson: non-reasons
Karlsson: my biggest and best reason
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: the only reasons are your reasons...USA USA
Karlsson: this is a game
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Lets have aliens
Karlsson: and my concern for audience and content
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and chewacccas (another low punch of mine, I apologize again)
Karlsson: you said I'M insulting you
Karlsson: lol this is belittlement
Karlsson: this is a game
Karlsson: not real life
Karlsson: if the historical realist want to have their fun recreating battles, fine
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I know...and in this game only the US is knda not important...
Karlsson: im not saying lets force historical battle events to forcefully include the US as the dominant faction
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: that would be funny
Karlsson: berg, rhinebund, sardinia, and baden are?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: those nations would have destroyed the Us operation overlord you want to launch

Karlsson: i dont want to introduce a game-breaking OP USA faction
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I know
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: you just want your beloved Us of a represented
Karlsson: where are you from
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Iam a Lord..citizen of the world...
Karlsson: ffs
Karlsson: news-flash
Karlsson: no one plays this mod because of the gameplay
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: indeed
Karlsson: they play out of nostalgia, and fuel for the imagination
Karlsson: both of those in my case
Karlsson: and Im saying I would appreciate (if well done) the introduction of the USA
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Its a shame you considered our arguments to be stupid...but its what we think..and Iam sorry if you dont agree...such is life...
Karlsson: what actual arguments besides "slippery slope," and not mainland europe
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: not many more that those ones
Karlsson: My points: larger appeal to a bigger audience, a new faction, new maps (just a couple)
Karlsson: new ships as well
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: yea , good points..new maps ...we are gonna have...new factions as well...larger appeal..probably not
Karlsson: the naval mode in the mod is sub
Karlsson: well its the only reason i still play ETW
Karlsson: still
Karlsson: even though its gameplay is shit
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: British Invasion of the River Plate 1806 and 1807
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Iam Argentine.... why arent we represented.... ?
Karlsson: i know of prob 10 ppl on my steam friends list who would guaranteed start playing
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Cos i thought it was silly
Karlsson: why not? why isnt argentina repd?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: For the same reasons the US is not... I dont discriminate
Karlsson: Well Argentina didnt do much except get invaded
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: instead the us...
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: did the same
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: got invaded
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: lol
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: so if you get invaded you arent in the mmod

Karlsson: The USA fought against not only Barbary pirates off the Libyan coast in a naval and land campaign in 1805, they also fought against the British in 1812, and French between 1792 and 99 i think
Karlsson: and spanish in Florida
Karlsson: We invaded the Barbary state (modern day Libya0
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: ok, so we draw the line in more than 1 nation enemy or campaign to get in?
Karlsson: first time the USA raised its flag on foreign land
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and you havent stopeped since then
(lot of low punches)
Karlsson: not ture
Karlsson: true*
Karlsson: we kicked pirates' ass in 1805, were isolationists up until 1892
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: so if i tell you that argentina fought against the spaniards as well...can they get in with the US?
Karlsson: when we decided to jump on the Imperialist bandwagon with Europe
Karlsson: if they did a lot then why not?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: for the same arguments I gave you before... the only difference is that I dont think argentina has to be represented , just because I live here
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: anyway
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Iam sorry , you find my arguments stupid....lets agree to disagree and have a good night.

but he didnt and got political



it would be like me accusing you of being land grabbing rats trying to take the falklands even thought they preffered being under the British
Karlsson: well you are
Karlsson: you did say that
Karlsson: you said the only reason I want the USA to be in is because im american
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I said that, but never call you dumb
Karlsson: you did not have to
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and they want to be under the british...because they are british
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I want to see your face when Arizona and Texas decide to be Mexico...Iam sure you will grant them thata
Karlsson: they would never
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and if they would?
Karlsson: because those states dislike mexico
Karlsson: Texas would declare independence entirely
Karlsson: Americans want to be Americans
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: indeed
Karlsson: so its hard to think about
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: so if me and 5 my mates squat a house in Wyoming and raise the argentine flag, and call that piece of land argentina...would you ask me to know what i want to be...?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: or will the police kick me out?
Karlsson: why would that house in wyoming be important to you?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: well is a nice piece of land I axex to my country
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: one house at a time
Karlsson: prepared to die for it?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: no!
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: because you will ask me first
Karlsson: is Argentina ready to back you up?
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and respect my will of self determination
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: : it would be like me accusing you of being land grabbing rats trying to take the falklands even thought they preffered being under the British
Karlsson: this argument got out of hand really fast
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: replace falkands by house in wyoming and british for argie
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and land grabbing rat by gentleman
Karlsson: The diffence is that the British kicked Argentina's ass and defended a set of islands they owned
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: thats the outcome...not the argument in question you raised

Karlsson: will that house in wyoming be dfended by Argentina's military? :razz:
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: nope...because you will ask me first and respect my right of self determination
Karlsson: what?
Karlsson: you have to DEFEND your right to self determination with force
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: The ppl in the falkland want tobe british, because they are british...the islans are not
Karlsson: if you cant, well then i guess you cant have that little house in WY
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: dammned
Karlsson: its a subjective argument
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: I wanted to have that house using your argument
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: it is
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: subjective
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: as all arguments are
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: have a good night
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: and dont loose hope
Karlsson: have fun being scrubbed off my list as if that matters
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: Iam sorry you will scrubb me off for thinking different
Karlsson: guess ill just have to Lobby someone that prizes logic and the welfare of the mod over petty politics
[N]Fullin {Maréchal}: but Alas
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]White » Thu May 05, 2016 12:10 pm

Made it 1/4 of the way before my brain started hurting, those damn Muricans :fist:
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Fullin » Thu May 05, 2016 4:26 pm

you reached 1/4 longer than I expected...

its not funny and not even interesting.... its silliness

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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Sloop » Thu May 05, 2016 8:02 pm

I read the whole thing, I agree with the American on every issue except "people don't play this mod for game play." And if those pesky Argenitinians try to take Wyoming we'll show em double what the Brits did to em!
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Bloody Bill » Fri May 06, 2016 2:36 am

Fullin you have so much more patients then myself. I would of told him to get fucked pretty early in that chat.

I do agree that there is no reason or need for American troops in Europe during the Napoleonic Wars.
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Fullin » Fri May 06, 2016 5:20 am

[N]Sloop wrote:I read the whole thing, I agree with the American on every issue except "people don't play this mod for game play." And if those pesky Argenitinians try to take Wyoming we'll show em double what the Brits did to em!


I do agree with hi as well...I just dont find his arguments compelling enough..
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Wym » Fri May 06, 2016 3:27 pm

I joined Karlssons game yesterday.........and i got the same question about the us......l also was acussed along with others from N,BPA& the grogs of steam rolling new players?l chose the Dutch and faced off the Ruskis?l also tried to advize them ie protect art etc.......thou yes after telling them l took both Ruski hrs batts with in mins of the advise?
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]White » Fri May 06, 2016 3:35 pm

When I started playing I got steamrolled every damn game, I distinctly remember my first game where Chromey completely destroyed me.
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Wym » Fri May 06, 2016 4:21 pm

Same here.....thou Tac took pity on me and helped alot with advise vis steam chat
[N]White wrote:When I started playing I got steamrolled every damn game, I distinctly remember my first game where Chromey completely destroyed me.
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Re: Chatting on Steam with our Americans Supporters

Postby [N]Sloop » Fri May 06, 2016 5:42 pm

It was about ten years ago when I was steamrolling a couple of newbs named Tactacus and Fullin... not much has changed.
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